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Does inflation resettle or reignite? The number that decides most of the other debates.
The count, last 30 days: 8 bull, 15 bear. The tape leans bear. A count, not a verdict.
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Bull2026-08-05
From current 4-4.5 percent, led by diesel, jet fuel, chemicals, food. EVENT: will.
So I'm not optimistic with respect to price inflation. I think it's going to be high I actually think it's going to be higher.
Mark Thornton · Mises Institute (senior fellow; Austrian economist) - org from title/public record, not stated on tape · David Lin Report ↗
Energy-driven inflation comes down on the other side of the Iran war. EVENT: will, conditional.
The energy can will be volatile and but we'll get to the other side of the Iran war and you know it will come down last month we saw the the biggest drop in many years so you know we see how quickly the it responds to the energy prices.
Predicts persistent inflation forcing hikes, citing war energy pressure and deficits.
you're going to have to raise rates to account for that inflation at some point. And then consumers are going to see three and four, you know, maybe more. God forbid, five or six. And I'll say one more thing, sorry. Inflation will be persistent.
CPI to ~0 and crude near 40 next year, conditional on an S&P drop that sticks. EVENT: will, dated 2027.
I think inflation's peaked at 4.2%. That's CPI. I think crude oil's peaked at 120. And the key head thing I have in the headline for next year, I fully expect CPI can easily get to 0% and crude oil can get to near 40 on a normal cycle.
Asked when the crude premium shows up in CPI and PPI after last week's softer prints: 'when we have a very large energy shock it translates into CP CPI and PPI between three to six months later' @17:44; he doubts the last soft print and adds 'I think it will show up by by the by Q4 unless there's a resolution of the conflict that is very quick' @18:12.
“But we should expect its appearance again before the end of the year sometime between September and December on the fourth quarter.”
Ryan Lemand · Neovision Wealth Management (CEO, co-founder); spelling verified against the on-screen Bloomberg name plate, Jul 22 · Bloomberg ↗
With nine straight days of US strikes on Iran, diesel above $5.10/gal and gasoline breaching $4, Kennedy relays Bloomberg Economics' updated view; earlier he warned oil-market 'buffers' (US SPR, China's buying pause) are 'wearing thin.'
“this most recent flare-up has lasted long enough that we do see higher inflation, most likely by the end of the year. And if things devolve, we could actually breach 5 percent.”
Asked how Kevin Warsh should think about inflation. 'the one qualification is oil prices. And regular is above four today and diesel is above five... I look at them every single day' (@3:45); tariff inflation 'behind us', most oil inflation 'behind us', AI-related inflation 'I can live with' given coming productivity gains (@3:56-4:07).
“I'm not into the we need three rate hikes. I don't think we're gonna get any rate hikes. I think the worst of the inflation is behind us.”
He notes core CPI is 'really only 2.6% over the past 12 months' @3:15 despite the energy bump, and adds 'when the cessation of hostilities occurs in Iran, I'm expecting that inflation number to come way below the Fed target' @3:56, calling the 2% target 'silly' and endorsing zero inflation @4:17. Whisper once garbles Warsh as 'Kevin Washington' @3:25.
“I think Kevin Warsh is going to stabilize prices, bring inflation down to approximately zero over the next 10, 15 years.”
Every inflation gauge but PCE core (median, trimmed mean, CPI core, sticky, 'true inflation') has come down. On the Warsh Fed: 'we've now taken the July rate hike to a 10% chance' @25:37 and 'if he was going to do it, I think July would be the time. I don't see him doing it in September, October.' @25:53: against market pricing of one hike before year-end. Calls falling hike odds 'a very big positive for the debasement trade, a very big positive for crypto.'
“I'm leaning towards the fact that the inflation side is a non-story for the rest of the year.”
One-year inflation swaps price '2 percent, or even below 2 percent, for the next 12 months' @3:35 versus 3.5% running CPI. He cites lagged effects from fertilizer, freight and energy costs, and AI as 'almost a source of inflation because of the tremendous energy demand' @3:07. Hedges: 'along metals, stocks, mining stocks, tips, cash' plus hedged-equity strategies since Treasuries are 'not the perfect hedge' in an inflation shock @4:41-4:55.
“we're running at three-and-a-half percent CPI. So, we think the market might be under pricing this risk. We are hedging it.”
'this increase in inflation volatility will lead to an increase in rate volatility, which means that the correlation between stocks and bonds have flipped positive. And we expect that to continue over the long run' @30:59-31:11 - her argument for why the classic 60/40 bond hedge is impaired and clients need alternatives.
“but this rolling inflation shocks is likely going to persist for the foreseeable future.”
Sitara Sundar · J.P. Morgan Private Bank (head of Alternative Investment Strategy) · Bloomberg ↗
Day-one House testimony reaction to the first negative CPI print in six years; Bloomberg chyron: WARSH: NO 'MISSION ACCOMPLISHED' AFTER CPI; created a data task force to avoid cherry-picking
“There might be some that look at this morning's data and say oh mission accomplished”
On the June CPI print of 3.5 percent (down from 4.2): I think underlying inflation is kind of three to three and a half percent somewhere in there, again, uncomfortably high @3:00. Direction: Yeah, I think we're directionally lower @5:55, conditional on oil staying around 80-85 dollars a barrel as the Iran war (whisper garbles it as the wrong word) stays on script; AI and immigration policy are juicing up inflation. This quote is teaser-duplicated in the cold open at 0:00; in-context occurrence filed.
“it's not going to come in fast. It's going to come in slow and sticky. And it might not be a couple three years before we get back to anything we all feel comfortable with.”
Solo outro on the June CPI drop to 3.5 percent: the decline was driven by June's oil selloff on ceasefire hopes now reversed, with Brent back to $85, up 20 percent from June levels: it's good in so far as it's a temporary sigh of relief, but it's bad in so far as it is a temporary sigh of relief @28:52. Earlier to Zandi @13:05: I tend to err on the side of the inflation problem is more of a problem because I'm personally very worried about ... the Iran situation.
“This is most likely a blip in the long story of the Iran war, the war that many had said was coming to an end, but that many must now admit is only just beginning.”
'There's a wonderful phrase that the CPI is the CP lie' @6:08; he invites listeners to price their own 2020-vs-today basket of goods and services @6:13 to see the gap.
“The government will tell you that the dollar is losing its purchasing power to the extent of two and a half percent a year. The real number for your family is eight.”
Reacting to the new inflation report: 'the report was incredible. The inflation is way down' @0:21, contrasted with months of '9 and 10%' inflation under the prior administration @0:12. Aired the day June PPI fell more than expected after a cooler June CPI.
“Prices are way down. Prices are coming way down, and we're gonna bring 'em much lower.”
Her data: average Brent $85 in June vs $78 to $81 so far in July, WTI $82 vs $73 to $75 @2:08, so July headline inflation may not rebound. She also flags consumer strain: 35% in a USAA survey now redeem credit-card rewards for groceries, 'I don't like seeing that' @4:07.
“but so far, again, that sort of gave me hope that we may not get that big spike. Maybe this is more than just one month, maybe this is more to come.”
He praises the new Fed chair: 'Kevin Warsh was supposed to be President Trump's puppet' @7:00 but 'has been awesome in these hearings with Congress' @7:12, sedate and data-focused; 'The feds should recede' @7:58. Conditional on Trump resolving Iran and Hormuz to 'get oil flowing' @7:37.
“and Kevin Warsh can do his job, which we are very clear on what his job is and that is to get inflation down to 2%. We are gonna be in a very good spot.”
Oval Office remarks after June CPI printed the first monthly decline in six years (same tape @14:46); pitched to the midterms camera: 'Remember that for the midterms'
“Prices are coming way down and we're going to bring them much lower yet.”
Vice chair, House Foreign Affairs; asked whether the Iran war risks the president's own phrase 'economic catastrophe' via oil and gas; oil rose again the same day the blockade returned
“Last month, the inflation rate was actually down. It is likely to be up next month if we continue that long.”
Solo segment on Trump reinstating the Strait of Hormuz blockade plus a 20% cargo toll. He does the arithmetic: at $83 Brent 'the new price would be $100 a barrel' @24:41, against inflation 'already up to 4.2% and rising' @24:48, and calls the Iran intervention 'a full-blown disaster' @25:35.
“Because the more he screws this up, the worse inflation will get, which means the more likely interest rates will go up. And therefore, the more likely stocks will go down.”
Cut her inflation input on Iran de-escalation; cites RBC economists ~2.6% for 1Q27
“I pulled it down a little bit just when we got some of this de-escalation on the Iran war, we wanted to reflect sort of that improvement in the gas price backdrop. But I think our economists are maybe at 2.6% for 1Q.”
Fresh restatement of his near-2%-in-12-18-months call (cross-ref POS-195, Jul 10); explicitly NOT by end of 2026
“Oh, I think we can. It's not gonna happen in the next quarter, it's not gonna happen by the end of the year. But I do think that within, let's say a year to 18 months, we can be pretty close.”
…There's these discussions like, when the Fed says two is the target, do they mean two is the first number of the target? (both laughing) Or do they mean two with 2.0? Anyway, the question is, if it goes up again, I think that's a disaster. I think markets can live with core inflation, that's a percentage point above target. It has been living with it. It's not ideal or whatever. But if it gets loose from there, I just can't see how, given what we know about the historical relationship, given the instability that brings, I just can't see how markets can stay at this high level if inflation is above target and rising again. Yes. I don't know. If I could predict inflation, I wouldn't be sitting here talking to you. That's for sure. (both laughing) But so it's bad. If it stays the level of bad, it is now okay, we can live with that. If it gets to another level of bad, I'm scared. And I think this ultimately does, this is where Iran comes back into the mix, because yes, we can strip out energy as much as we'd like, but supposedly the straight is open, currently. Some boats are going through. I think we know that, that there are some boats going through…From: this video · 6 claims mined from it
…statistical package you want, and you get kind of inflation is like 2 .7 and in a bad month it's like 3.5. And we're kind of going along sideways in this clearly above target by call it roughly on average a percentage point, right? And the markets can probably live like that. You know what I mean? The difference between two and three. There's these discussions like, when the Fed says two is the target, do they mean two is the first number of the target? (both laughing) Or do they mean two with 2.0? Anyway, the question is, if it goes up again, I think that's a disaster. I think markets can live with core inflation, that's a percentage point above target. It has been living with it. It's not ideal or whatever. But if it gets loose from there, I just can't see how, given what we know about the historical relationship, given the instability that brings, I just can't see how markets can stay at this high level if inflation is above target and rising again. Yes. I don't know. If I could predict inflation, I wouldn't be sitting here talking to you. That's for sure. (both laughing) But so it's bad.…From: this video · 6 claims mined from it