Bitcoin and the crypto complex: cycle calls, price targets, and the argument over what it all is.
The count, last 30 days: 15 bullish, 9 bearish. The tape leans bullish. A count, not a verdict.
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Bearishleaning · 2026-09-10
McGlone tells Lin Bitcoin has bounced to resistance (around 80,000) and he thinks it is heading back down, leading risk assets lower.
And it's just broke up to a decent resistance level. And I think it's heading back downward.
Tom Lee says crypto, the best macro asset in Q3, might double again in Q4 2026 and could double again in 2027.
it's the best performing macro asset already in the third quarter and maybe it might double again in the fourth quarter and then it could double again next year
Michael Bucella of Neoclassic Capital tells CNBC altcoin leverage is approaching the levels seen just before the October 2025 liquidation, so investors should proceed with caution.
We're approaching leverage levels last seen in October, 2025, just before we had a very large liquidation and a pretty substantial move lower in the market. I'm not saying that this move isn't sustainable. I'm just saying you should proceed with a lot of caution.
Ryan VanGrack of Coinbase tells Bloomberg traditional finance, as shown by the bank stablecoin consortium, is inevitably moving toward crypto.
And that's something that we at Coinbase identified over a dozen years ago and we think inevitably they are moving in our direction and recognize the importance of this technology.
Peter Schiff says Bitcoin's bubble has popped, the highs are in, the recent rally to ~$79k was short covering, and the price is headed a lot lower.
But I think that Bitcoin is going to roll over. I don't think there's a lot of upside. I do think that the bubble has popped. I think the highs are in. I think we're headed a lot lower with Bitcoin.
Peter Schiff says a break below $50,000 could trigger a wave of liquidations and bankruptcies among Bitcoin treasury companies, whose forced selling would have no buyers.
I think that could open up a trap door and you could see a massive wave of liquidation and a big run of bankruptcies, too, of these Bitcoin treasury companies.
Todd Horwitz calls Bitcoin the biggest wild card: it could run another 10,000 before the pullback he expects at some point.
I mean it could rally another 10,000 before pulling back. It will have a pullback at some point, but we are now in the midst of the biggest rally in three years.
Todd Horwitz predicts Bitcoin, at 78,000, trades $4,000-5,000 lower at some point before his next appearance.
I would venture to talk that the next time you and I talk, it may not be there when we talk the next time, but at some point between now and then, it'll be four or $5,000 cheaper than it is right now.
Matt Hougan (Bitwise) tells CNBC's Carl the White House crypto meeting is broadly positive for Bitcoin as a sign of continued administration commitment.
broadly it's positive for bitcoin specifically bitcoin is the largest asset in crypto and it generally benefits when the administration is focused on making crypto a hospitable place
Matt Hougan tells CNBC the real winners from tokenization are DeFi apps (Uniswap, Aave, Hyperliquid, Chainlink) that will be re-rated from a $2tn to a $150-200tn addressable market.
the bigger winners from this sort of the key winners i think are actually the defy apps things like uniswap ave maybe hyper liquid even oracles like chainlink
Matt Hougan tells CNBC the crypto outlook into year-end 2026 is good even without CLARITY, but on a more gradual path because rules could be reversed by a future administration.
i still think the outlook for the end of the year is good but it's probably a more gradual path because there will be concerns that future regulatory advances could be reversed in a future administration.
Jeff Booth says Strategy is likely fine and, if Bitcoin emerges as a currency, becomes one of the most valuable companies; if Bitcoin stays a mere financial instrument it could be taken over by the government.
It won't, because Bitcoin is emerging as a currency. And if Bitcoin emerges as a currency, then strategy becomes one of the most valuable companies around, because they went to where they went to early.
Jeff Booth says the transition to a Bitcoin-based system is inevitable and only the timeline is uncertain; mining pools, mining centralization and a single reference implementation are short-term risks.
I think it's inevitable, it's just a matter of timeline.
Patrick McHenry predicts the Clarity Act (crypto market-structure bill) will pass later in 2026 and that the banks' stablecoin-yield lobbying will not change votes.
they've got to shoot their shot otherwise clarity act will will be passed later this year
Patrick McHenry predicts banks themselves will offer stablecoin yield in short order after the Clarity Act passes, as they did with money-market funds.
I think likewise you're going to see yields on the stablecoin products or some return of value to the users of stablecoin products and banks will be offering it
Matt Hougan (Bitwise) tells Bloomberg large wealth-management platforms approving crypto ETFs are the next marginal buyer of Bitcoin, a slow-burn catalyst.
I really think that's the next marginal buyer of Bitcoin coming into the market and that's not a one minute catalyst.
Matt Hougan (Bitwise) tells Bloomberg the coming crypto bull market will be slower, less volatile and more institutional, lifting prices higher over time.
Look I think this bull market is going to be slower less volatile and more institutional than bull markets in the past.
Yoni Assia (eToro CEO) tells CNBC he is very bullish long term on crypto and on Bitcoin as digital gold, framing the current downturn as the usual four-year cycle.
I'm very bullish on crypto, long term, very bullish on Bitcoin as digital gold
Ian Rogers (Ledger) says the Coldcard hack is not evidence that hardware wallets or self-custody are inherently risky; security level matters wherever crypto is held.
So I think that it would be wrong to look at this as a self custody issue or a hardware wallet issue
Asked where institutional adoption stands ('nine inning baseball game'), he says the stalled Clarity Act is the missing catalyst and its failure is already priced in.
the like one big catalyst that we are currently lacking is the clarity act for sure. And in my opinion in our opinion it's basically price tend to fail this year and it's potentially priced and to fail even even with this administration as well. And so if it passes it will it should be potentially like the biggest catalyst possible for not just for Bitcoin but for your alts as well.
Clip from the prior week's show, aired to set up the institutional-adoption theme before the Wintermute interview.
We see the entire financial industry as both partners and potentially competitors because at the end of the day the future of finance is going to run on crypto rails and Coinbase has been a leader in that regard. So we see an inevitable convergence between traditional finance and crypto. So that a couple of years from now even your questions are not going to be identifying this dichotomy within the industry but rather talking about how every modern financial institution is embracing the efficiencies and benefits that crypto provides.
Pressed on 'when,' after arguing the pre-August-recess window is the last good one before midterms and lame duck; also says 'given my years of experience in the Senate and on Capitol Hill I think we're going to get there' [933880-941030].
By the end of the week I think we'll at least have a some kind of closer vote at least to see where you know it to see where everyone is to see if we can you know move ahead with the bill.
Asked whether AI-pivoted miners would flip back to mining if Bitcoin goes past $130,000 again; says nimbleness is a feature and the decision matrix is power-cost driven.
I suspect you will see both. And it likely makes these firms more robust not less.
Explaining demand behind Visa's stablecoin platform launched three weeks earlier, built to let financial firms issue, move and manage stablecoins; launched with open USD rather than USDC/USDT.
And I think at this stage every bank needs to have a stablecoin strategy.
Answering why stablecoins need Visa when adjusted stablecoin volume hit a record $1.79T in June and $8.8T in H1 mostly without Visa; cites ~$10B annualized stablecoin settlement and Western Union's new stablecoin card.
So we've seen stable coin link cards growing at triple digits over the past year and nearly every week there are new stable coin link card programs that are going live across our network.
Replayed exchange with anchor Romain Bostick, who pushes back 'at some point it's going to happen'; Dolev holds that it's off the table this year.; quote joins non-contiguous passages within the same answer (verified part-by-part)
Clarity act is not happening. ... It's not going to happen. You know this year.
Asked if tokenization is a five-year or 20-year problem; compares the migration to mutual-funds-to-ETFs and the still-incomplete cloud transformation.; quote joins non-contiguous passages within the same answer (verified part-by-part)
So I think I suspect it's a five year problem maybe five to 10. ... And so I think that inflection point is maybe five years out.
On Schwab's spot crypto rollout. He attributes the decline partly to price: 'some of that's related to the price action, I'm sure there's other reasons' @29:17, while noting Schwab will still 'make crypto available for transfers by the end of the year' @29:05 because clients want it regardless of interest level.
“You know, the level of interest in crypto right now I think is lower than it has been. It's really declined.”
Replayed clip recorded the prior week. She says the bill has taken 'virtually every day for the last 10 months' and 'we're ready' @0:39, the point being to give markets stability 'if they remain onshore in the United States' @1:03; asked if it hits the Senate floor the week of July 20th: 'I expect it will be that week' @1:21.
“It's very important that we get this bill across the finish line before the August recess begins.”
Status update: 'I think we're almost there. Maria I don't know that we get to it this week' @2:37, with the Senate in session a couple more weeks; the big open item is Democrats reading newly negotiated amendments, with DOJ as prevailing enforcer making 'all the sense in the world to me' @2:04, while the securities intermediaries definition remains contested by the industry.
“But I'm with Cynthia. We have to get this done in my view before the August recess.”
Explaining the new S&P DJI / Pantera Capital digital-asset index (18 constituents, top five Ether, Binance Coin, Solana, Tron, Hyperliquid per host @0:52; top token capped at 35 percent @2:09). The next transcript line, 'It meets all of the criteria,' appears to be a whisper stitching garble about the included tokens.
“Bitcoin is not in there because it's really not one of those revenue-generating protocols that we think belongs in this index.”
Speaking on the milestone of Circle's OCC charter - 'the first de novo digital asset bank by the OCC in American history is a very big milestone' @0:46 - under the Genius Act, 'which will go into effect in January of 2027' @1:38; the market is 'now penetrating capital markets with major capital markets firms' @2:04.
“we're now - right now, we're, in my view, in the still very early stages of the stablecoin market. It has really been a market that grew out of the digital asset trading market. It's now becoming a market for payments.”
The mechanism: 'once the Genius Act goes into effect in January, every major institution, every major bank, every capital markets firm, payments companies, enterprises, public companies can all now build on this infrastructure, treat it as digital cash in the economic system' @2:08.
“And that's a huge opening up. And that's why analysts look at this from a trillion dollars to several trillion dollars in the coming years. So we're at the start.”
Asked if the worst is over for Strategy and Bitcoin: 'I do, I think we've gotten shaken out' @4:25, though only 'not into a full blown bull market, but... a mixed market' @4:30. On Strategy: 'It's kind of like holding a 3X ETF in the name' @4:48, doing worse than Bitcoin down and better up.
“I think there is more good news to come from Bitcoin. That is a name that has definitely been washed out and people have kind of given up on and turned their backs on.”
Inverse head-and-shoulders target; a break of 58k flips him bearish.
“maybe we're due for a run up to about the 71, 72,000 level... If it ever takes out the 58,000 level to the downside, then I would have to flip back to being bearish for a move down to 50,000”
Hindi frames FHE encryption as the 'HTTPS for on-chain finance' with strong winner-take-all network effects; notes if just 5% of Apex/T-Rex's planned $100B tokenization is shielded, Zama would already exceed Zcash in value shielded.
“so that in, let's say, four years, 95% of financial transactions on Ethereum and Solana will be encrypted using Xama. That's the goal, 95% in four years.”
ETH 'up close to 20% month to date' as of yesterday's close @33:03: would be its best month since August last year, and the biggest outperformance vs Bitcoin since then. Thesis: AI agents + tokenization + stablecoin/RWA volumes make ETH 'the revenue side of crypto.' 'I'm trading it actively. I'm trying to make sure that if the bottom is made here, it's there.' @34:40. Teaser duplicate of this line at 0:10-0:27; in-context occurrence filed.
“Once we get above the 200 day moving average, I believe we're at the start of something new”
'I think every single asset is going to run through a problem where AI is going to run into its moat.' @16:17. Built on Demis Hassabis's ~2030 AGI timeline ('the world is going to change over the next three years'). His crypto allocation: 'it's Bitcoin, Ethereum, and MicroStrategy.' @35:23; notes Bitcoin vol at 30 vs AI-factor vol near 100, so 'you can have three times as much Bitcoin on a vol adjusted basis as you can AI.'
“Bitcoin is the only thing that has a moat, which is what's an asset that I don't have to worry about it being disrupted by AI, but I still have to invest.”
BTC recently broke below $60,000; his first RSI divergence since the cycle peak, he says
“My belief is that over the course of the next year, we are near the bottom end of the range of Bitcoin. And see how I said that near? Could we go to 50? Yeah. Could we go to 45? Yeah. Do I think we'll be over a hundred a year from now? Yeah.”
“I see very little upside for Bitcoin. The only thing that could happen is that, you know, again, if the AI bubble bursts, the Fed start cutting interest rates, maybe crypto becomes more interesting then.”
“I believe you're gonna see Bitcoin over 100,000 by the end of the year. And Ethereum back to over 5,000”; also: “I think Bitcoin is like 5% below production cost right now”
“I think what you're going to end up seeing is a handful of Ethereum digital asset treasuries who are professionally managed who've raised significant enough capital to get actual scale”; “Bitcoin is not a natively productive asset. Ether if you stake it in the Ethereum ecosystem can yield nearly 3 percent”
Raoul Pal tells host Mando crypto is not 'up only' yet (tariff on/off noise, possible end-of-month shutdown) but turns positive once the shutdown resolves and the Clarity Act passes around end-January 2026.
So I don't think it's up only yet, but I do think that by sort of, once we get clarity over that shutdown, I think we also get the clarity act through as well.
Raoul Pal tells Mando that AI's hunger for data plus crypto rails will create data marketplaces, so within five years owning one's data becomes a source of income (the web3 'own' ethos).
in the next five years, it'll become very apparent that owning our data was one of the things that gave us income.
Raoul Pal tells Mando Barry Silbert will be proved right on Bittensor (TAO): the weekly chart is a 'killer' bull flag with a big move to come, though he owns none.
And I just think bit tensor, if I look at the weekly chart, it's like it's a killer chart. I don't own any.
Raoul Pal tells Mando the AI-agent narrative in crypto will favour chains that process at agent speed, which feels like a Solana/Sui world more than an ETH world, though layer-2s might manage.
I think a lot of them is gonna be just who is able to process at the speed that agents require.
Raoul Pal tells Mando that with liquidity still rising, debt to refinance and fiscal stimulus coming, crypto and technology look good and 2026 is a good year.
So we read a lot about that, that just for crypto looks good, technology continues to look good because liquidity still coming into the system.
Raoul Pal tells Mando the signal to turn cautious on Bitcoin is the ISM nearing 60 plus a peak in the rate of change of financial conditions, and he does not think that point has been reached.
And if it's near 60, you want to be a little more cautious 'cause Bitcoin sniffs at that peak in the ISM very quickly along with the peak in financial conditions rate of change. But I don't think it's there yet.
Raoul Pal tells Mando that per GMI's model Bitcoin should be around $140-160K had the October liquidation not happened, the discount is temporary, and closing that gap is the feature of 2026.
also in the global macro investor, we looked at the undervaluation of Bitcoin versus where it should be. It should be somewhere around 140 to 160,000 had that not have happened.
Raoul Pal tells Mando it makes no sense that crypto dies given its network effects, banks building on-chain, the Clarity Act and rising liquidity, so the underperformance is temporary.
is it likely the blockchain technology which has this most powerful network effects of any investment asset class in history suddenly just dies to death. While every single bank is about to build on it, the government's about to pass the clarity act.
Raoul Pal tells Mando he does not trade in and out of crypto but sits with it as 'the gift that keeps on giving over time' rather than chasing gold or silver.
I just sit with it and say, it'll be the gift that keeps on giving over time.
Raoul Pal tells Mando that over the full cycle crypto will have outperformed AI stocks because of its convexity and reflexivity, so he stays patient in crypto rather than picking chip names.
If we go through this cycle in the end, what will have done best? It'll have been crypto just by the very nature of its convexity and its reflexivity.
Raoul Pal guesses the Trump administration will do whatever it takes on liquidity (paper over year-end funding cracks) because winning the 2026 midterms matters to it, which he reads as supportive for crypto and risk assets.
I don't know. My guess is 2026 is really important for the Trump administration to try and win. So they will do anything they can.
Raoul Pal speculates that Binance's internal market maker absorbed ~$20bn of Oct-10 liquidations and has been offloading $0.5-1bn a day for ~40 days, explaining the relentless daily selling in altcoins and Bitcoin.
So my guess is you've got a massive overhang of stuff. You probably bought it cheap. There may not even be a loss on this stuff, but they have to offload it. And so every day they offload a billion bucks a day or half a billion bucks a day every day for 40 days.
Raoul Pal says 2026 'probabilistically' has to be a good year for crypto because liquidity, fiscal stimulus, regulation changes and a midterm-motivated Treasury are all lined up.
has to be a good year, because of liquidity, fiscal stimulus, and all the other stuff that's coming, regulation changes, and a Treasury Secretary who really understands about the business cycle and how we need to jam it if you want to win the midterm elections
Raoul Pal says Bitcoin dominance is driven by the business cycle: it stays high while the cycle is weak and altcoins start outperforming once the cycle (ISM) turns up.
So from the work that we do, Bitcoin dominance is driven by the business cycle. So if the business cycle is lackluster or early stage, then Bitcoin dominance tends to be higher.
Raoul Pal says the institutional tokenization wave accrues to smart-contract chains (Ethereum, Solana, other layer-1s), not Bitcoin, and allocators are wildly underweight them.
But the actual action is about to happen in smart contract land, and people are wildly underweight that.
Raoul Pal says crypto networks should be valued on Metcalfe's law (users x value transacted), not cash flows, which he calls irrelevant today and possibly relevant only in ~15 years.
So I don't think cash flows are relevant at all today. They might be in 15 years' time, but not today.
Raoul Pal guesses institutions like BlackRock and DTCC will come around to public decentralized chains for security, with some private chains persisting like intranets.
So my guess is they'll come around to it. But yes, there will be some private chains, much like there's still private intranets.
Raoul Pal projects total crypto market cap rising from ~$3tn to about $100tn within roughly 10 years, by 2032-2034, by extrapolating the log trend.
I keep saying to just extrapolate out the log trend of the market cap of crypto, we're at $3 trillion today. If you extrapolate it out into this nice log regression like we all do on the Bitcoin chart, you get to about $100 trillion in 10 years time, or less, by 2032, 2034.
Raoul Pal tells host Scott that his model requires ~$7-8tn of new liquidity in the next 12 months and expects authorities to deliver it via SLR changes, fiscal stimulus and TGA drawdown, which is bullish for Bitcoin and risk assets in 2026.
And that tells us we need to create about $7 or $8 trillion of liquidity in the next 12 months to pay the interest on the debts.
Raoul Pal thinks the Zcash privacy thesis is right and the asset may matter in future, but expects it to be a hard asset to hold because banks and governments will try to shut it down.
I think the thesis is right, and it probably has a very important role in the future. But fuck me, it's going to be a hard asset to own when every bank wants to shut it down and every government wants to shut it down.